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Post  TANGOLERO on Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:02 pm

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Apologies for missing that T. Sad

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Post  saxonsiren on Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:11 pm

Ok so I actually watched a live show this series instead of an hr later. It's working wonders being confined to the sofa or bed 8n between Rasputin style voice and cough. No

Anyway here goes and my bags packed but I'm afraid I can only banish myself to my warm bed after negotiating the stairs with my laboured chest (not the bosoms darlings but I agree they do get in the way)

Susan & Kevin yes come along way but I got distracted by the make up on eyes. One looked more heavily done as if covering a black eye! I felt improvement yes but for me I feel its stagnated now a little....

Joe & Katya omg loved the dress so much at last a bit of decadence. .. I hear and agree with Mr T re the sex with a Yoyo pulling whilst trying to be Valentino. Lacked umph but you are awful but I liked it as weapon of love Emery would advise. His my second choice for final.

Ruth and A.non oh dear I felt as if Ruth had had a few too many proscecco's and had wobbled off to find a dance partner for a bit of fluff on the dance floor. Out of sync and time. Why oh why have the blasted canes and hat thrown back for the end. I'd have been more impressed if Ruth had dived in the air did a saumersault and caught the cane with her teeth... No I watched wibble wobble wibble wobble jelly on a plate dance..... off off this week

Davood & YASB omg my dance of the night I loved it. Cheeky and full of fun and lots of steps. If only he could control spin cycle mouth movements I'd be content....

Gemma & Alijaz I loved her dress and loved the song too. Felt she was nervous and her Bloomin shoe threw her a little. I thought she got roasted a little by the judge's. This couple my favourite for final. Down to earth, fun warm no falseness at all.

Alex and Gorka well for me faffing at top of stairs and yes great we can see you can hoist leg on top of rail and stretch. I don't want to see the railings carrassed by limbs or the stairs I want dancing! I felt the kicks rushed and only went from thigh to mid calf the foot/toes missed the flick through. Again Alex has settled with fierce tiger mouth features which puts me off... Over marked for me hot perfection. Our V.ince cheers in audience I wonder his scores/thoughts. Hope Sid you spotted him too x

Mollie and AJ loved his costume again fab wardrobe choice. They looked as if they were on their last lifeline not confident within their partnership and I sensed it in the dance... Mollie I know the dance off horrid but many bounce back with fire in their belly.

Jonnie and Oti omg Sad what happened? I kept bouncing on sofa to try and gee them up it was FLAT. I felt Jonnie had left the building in Sirallen's you're fired taxi already. Bum out no rise no effort. .. C,raig Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad public explanation and Tess re comments required. I've posted separately. So fuming.

Debbie and Giovanni well I hated the dress yuk. It made budgie's legs look like two matchsticks. Posed polished movements yes but it doesn't flow fluidly between each one. Yes Giovanni can throw her round like a whip and cork but it just looks like a bag of clothes with pipes sticking out with gnashers on show... Over marked and really over fawned.. If you want Debbie in final C,raig roll your tongue back in and actually criticise too instead of splendid licking and whoop de doop. Ok ui made that up but I'm due my painkillers soon, honest.

So for me Ruth/Molie/Jonnie possibly Susan I'm worried for if goes to Blackpool....



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Re: Strictly 17 A little bit of Honesty

Post  Sid on Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:32 pm

Have caught up on last night's show and mostly felt frustrated with the "chasers" for stagnating - and in some cases, going backwards. AND THE BLATANT OVER-MARKING / PUSHING OF SUSAN.

Susan - so the whole universe is agreed that Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirework shouldn't accompany a Tango - or anything. In fact, it should be erased from existence altogether. But even putting my strong feelings for the song aside, this didn't strike me as a great Tango. Yes all the steps were there but there was barely anything resembling a frame. And then you had Susan out-drama-queening Alexandra at the judge's table. My turn to take against Shirley slightly this week for some of her scoring and comments. 6

Joe - not the car crash I feared but not as brilliant as Shirley and B.runo made out either imo. Although it was all done on pretty much the same spot, I still think Katya gave Joe a reasonable amount to do (for a male Rumba) but his arms were too aggressive and wild. And I didn't at any point feel emotionally drawn into the performance. I was a spectator, nothing more. 7.5

Ruth - For the "King of Ballroom" A.nton didn't half put together an odd routine with Ruth essentially galloping backwards in circles over and over! That said, and despite her technical shortcomings, there's no way Susan was *twice* as good. It very much felt like the knives were out as "punishment" for Aston's exit. 5

Davood - I love that YASB was all "You're really beginning to get the hang of this dancing lark" to Davood and I was like "You're really beginning to get the hang of this choreography lark" to her (altho I'm sure they get some assistance in Charleston). I also love that Charleston's the one dance you can get away with a wide open gurning mouth all the way through. It wasn't quite 10-worthy but I did actually feel quite moved by the performance and Davood & YASB's reactions to the judge's comments and scores. I've been hard on them all series but they've genuinely had a bit of a breakthrough the past couple of weeks and I'm pleased for them (especially since the appointed underdogs have stalled). 9

Gemma - Case in point really. I've not been wowed since her Paso which seems like a lifetime ago now. 7

Alex - Last night reinforced my view that we need the odd ringer in the mix each year otherwise the quality of some shows would render them almost unwatchable. What I love about Alex is she has a captivating blend of power and elegance (tho I think she could refine the elegance a little more still - esp in the ankles and feet). I loved this routine - it had my Vinnie written all over it. 9.5

Mollie - She was a bit rag-dollish in places but "Could you feel yourself falling over?" was brutal and my heart broke when she apologised. There's no way Mollie should have been below Susan on the table. 7

Jonnie - His best dances did seem to come early on in the series and I wonder if he's ready to go now. 6

Debbie - I think imperfect-Debbie-doing-insane-lifts is my favourite thing. Her face throughout....she was just so happy. 8.5


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Re: Strictly 17 A little bit of Honesty

Post  Twirlie on Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:35 pm

TANGOLERO wrote:

Hey, we don't need apollogies here Twirlie. None of us are ever wrong anyway, we just dispense pearly of wisdom. Very Happy
lol! lol!
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Re: Strictly 17 A little bit of Honesty

Post  Sid on Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:47 pm

I spotted him sax! Did a little shriek! And Alex's acknowledgement Smile
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Re: Strictly 17 A little bit of Honesty

Post  Twirlie on Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:50 pm

Sid wrote:
Alex[...]I loved this routine - it had my Vinnie written all over it.

It was a terrific performance, with terrific choreography, with some of Vincent's signature moves in it, and there he was sitting in the audience watching. Do you think there's a link in there somehow????
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Post  Sid on Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:15 pm

Twirlie wrote:

It was a terrific performance, with terrific choreography, with some of Vincent's signature moves in it, and there he was sitting in the audience watching. Do you think there's a link in there somehow????

Oh yes Twirlie, apparently he choreographed the routine for them Smile
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Post  TANGOLERO on Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:16 pm

A Sunday splutter to take up on a few points mentioned by our observant followers:

Back in those balmy days when dance instructors used those little left and right feet diagrams to teach dance STEPS with arrows and things....sorry Embarassed , it seemed dancing was all about feet and legs working excellence on the maple boards (all the best floors were maple on springs, ah, those days when you could actually feel the floor moving) . Of course, you had to learn all the basics of hold, posture etc, and hear the rythmn (good old Victor Sylvester style strict tempo), but the steps and footwork were what ballroom was all about. Then there was the decorum bit, where a swish of ladies skirts set the blood pounding, but the only place to see knickers that weren't navy blue, was in Marks and Spencers lin gerie department or a risky peek at Tit Bits mag.
(Of course, Rock and Roll was not a feature of dance halls then and ladies would be escorted from the floor by a tuxedoed floor-walker for committing such a sin as flashing stocking tops). The point is, much of the current dance in Strictly is almost totally reliant on a flash of Budgie's bloomers as she attempts yet another flying splits whilst grinning insanely at the camera from somewhere around Gio's feet. Not a touch, but a whole lot too much. What on earth was that crotch crunching effort that looked like Gio was taking part in a hammer throwing competition. Is that dance? ?

And the comment on speed? There was aways a certain joy in a quickstep of dashing your partner into a corner so you could show off your flashing footwork and emerge hopefully without tripping up or knocking an aspidistra over. That was all part of the fun, but the manic race-arounds that emulate trotting hoses in full flight at the moment is baffling. Some of the pros actually appear to either be grabbing the limelight themselves, or trying very hard to disguise the fact they have a partner. Lest it be thought that I don't enjoy a lot of the show, I do. I just don't understand where some of it is coming from.Shocked

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Re: Strictly 17 A little bit of Honesty

Post  Tappingfeet on Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:00 pm

I am still cross at the judges behavour towards Mollie .She was upset enough without them being so negative .Then I began to wonder was it reverse psychology and were they doing it so her votes would increase .? Maybe I am being kinder to them than they deserved .When Mollie said " sorry " I wanted to hug her and AJ .They are trying hard and that in itself is what it is all about .

I do not warm to Ken and Barbie but have to admit I liked the dance and enjoyed the simple costumes and the whole charm of it .

Alexandra can dance and her commitment is admirable but I dont want her to win .

Gemma looked defeated , or sad , or in pain or something .Not quite sure what or why

Debbie never fails to surprise and fair play to her for working hard and giving her all

Susan, Jonnie and Ruth are all lagging behind now and my guess it two of them will be in the dance off .I just hope it not Mollie again .

I like Joe and enjoy him and Katya and they seem to enjoy it too which relaxes me and I would love him to win this .

I might watch Mollies again without the music as suggested , the music was dire and a bit off putting .

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Post  mauveangel09 on Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:00 pm

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More trivia mauvangel09, The Lambeth Walk was a song in Me and My Girl, written in the 30s by Noel Gay. You can see the revival version starring Robert Lindsay on youtube. Search for it there and you should find it no bother. Lots of Pearly Kings and Queens in evidence since the lead character is a costermonger who inherits an Earldom! Though tonight's Charleston was faster, I don't think it's by much having compared the two versions side by side.

Twirlie and Mr T - I think it was because I was brought up on a constant diet of 'Sing-a-longa Max' type music at home lol! that I'm used to the slower pace!! My Dad bless him, (bit of an entertainer - played the spoons and was a brilliant dancer - I think I get my interest in dance from him) was into all that sort of 'break into song at any time' music and Lambeth Walk was always on 'medleys of old London Town' along with songs such as 'Knees up Mother Brown' 'Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner' even 'Mother Kelly's Doorstep' Smile Smile My Dad had me quite late in life and I always wondered why all the other kids didn't know these songs..................... Smile Smile Anyway - in terms of the real n umber from ' Me and My Girl' yes it was more pacey and I remember this from doing a tap n umber to it some years ago, but I put it with 'Consider Yourself' from Oliver - a good old knees up style performance piece which I just don't associate with the Charleston. Charleston to me is all about flappers, wall street and silent movies - although I know there is some good modern Charleston tracks out there that we have discussed on the board. That said, I think you are quite right Mr T - it is amazing that they did as well as they did last night by turning out a recognisable and high standard Charleston - well done to them for that. Like the great paso music debate.............I hope we will be having the 'music' debate for many years to come............................. Very Happy Very Happy

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Re: Strictly 17 A little bit of Honesty

Post  Sid on Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:03 pm

Tappingfeet wrote:Then I began to wonder was it reverse psychology and were they doing it so her votes would increase .? Maybe I am being kinder to them than they deserved .

Funnily enough, I said something similar to somebody else Taps. Maybe that's what was behind the severity of their comments - because it was the only way they felt they could motivate viewers to vote for her. Or maybe I'm just reading into things too much these days lol (but it's interesting you made a similar point).
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Re: Strictly 17 A little bit of Honesty

Post  CaledonianCraig on Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:08 pm

Or maybe the harsh comments are out of their frustration that she was saved in place of Aston and they in some way expected more?
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ReL Striclty 17 a little bit of Honesty

Post  mauveangel09 on Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:09 pm

Sid wrote:

Oh yes Twirlie, apparently he choreographed the routine for them Smile

Then why didn't I like it as much as I usually love a good Argentine Tango????? confused confused
I loved their Cha Cha last week - first time that I have really conceded that I enjoyed something that they had done - I could see how the routine last night was full of complex choreography and performed really well - but I just find that these too are all 'attack' and I didn't find it smouldering or atmospheric - I don't know why but everything seemed too fast to me last night and he seemed to chuck her up into the lifts like a sack of potatoes a couple of times. I obviously need to watch it again - particularly now I know that V incent did the choreo. Shocked

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Post  mauveangel09 on Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:14 pm

[quote="Sid"]

Funnily enough, I said something similar to somebody else Taps. Maybe that's what was behind the severity of their comments - because it was the only way they felt they could motivate viewers to vote for her. Or maybe I'm just reading into things too much these days lol (but it's interesting you made a similar point).[/quote?

Well they have played this card before in the past...............be vile and then GBP will respond........(hopefully!).
I just didn't see much wrong with the routine - especially compared to some of the others last night who are on the same level as Mollie.  The 'fall' comment was uncalled for.

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Post  diamondsandpearls on Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:49 pm

[quote="Sid"]Have caught up on last night's show and mostly felt frustrated with the "chasers" for stagnating - and in some cases, going backwards.

Alex - Last night reinforced my view that we need the odd ringer in the mix each year otherwise the quality of some shows would render them almost unwatchable. What I love about Alex is she has a captivating blend of power and elegance (tho I think she could refine the elegance a little more still - esp in the ankles and feet). I loved this routine - it had my Vinnie written all over it. 9.5

Mollie - She was a bit rag-dollish in places but "Could you feel yourself falling over?" was brutal and my heart broke when she apologised. There's no way Mollie should have been below Susan on the table. 7

As ever, you've hit several nails on the head Sid....

But I am going to address the Mollie one- like you I was heartbroken when she said sorry to Shirley.  Adn like you - as I have stated somewhere above - I thought that her paso was superior to Susan's tango.  I gave ALL my votes to Mollie.  Mollie is a younger, prettier and (toothier) version of how I imagine I would be if I was ever in Strictly....  As in, she genuinely loves Strictly, she wants to do well, she gives it her all - and then doesn't quite pull it off.... Sad It's funny how a lot of the girl and boy band members are ringers - but Mollie most clearly isn't.  And I want her to do so well. And I don;t want her beinng bulied... GRRRRR Twisted Evil

So many of them were tearful or looking like they had had the last straw - Mollie, Ruth, Gemma, Jonnie. It is unusual to see so many so totally deflated all in the same evening by the judges comments and scores.  I'm sagging now too. I needed an uplift coming into Blackpool - now, after last night's misery-fest I am dreading it.  It's all such misery and doom and gloom.

I finding I don;t care two figs who goes out.  If it is one of the above four, then to a certain extent they have given an end to their suffering, and if it is the any of hte others, wiht hte exception of Joe, then - who cares? *shrugs*
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Post  diamondsandpearls on Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:54 pm

mauveangel09 wrote:

 Charleston to me is all about flappers, wall street and silent movies -  although I know there is some good modern Charleston tracks out there that we have discussed on the board.      That said, I think you are quite right Mr T - it is amazing that they did as well as they did last night by turning out a recognisable and high standard Charleston - well done to them for that.      Like the great paso music debate.............I hope we will be having the 'music' debate for many years to come............................. Very Happy Very Happy

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Post  B4p on Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:56 pm

mauveangel09 wrote: Then why didn't I like it as much as I usually love a good Argentine Tango????? confused confused  
I loved their Cha Cha last week - first time that I have really conceded that I enjoyed something that they had done - I could see how the routine last night was full of complex choreography and performed really well - but I just find that these too are all 'attack' and I didn't find it smouldering or atmospheric - I don't know why but everything seemed too fast to me last night and he seemed to chuck her up into the lifts like a sack of potatoes a couple of times.    I obviously need to watch it again - particularly now I know that V incent did the choreo.  Shocked
I felt the same mauve. I find Alex too aggressive, and everything she does is a full frontal attack at hyper speed - CHARrrrge! I did enjoy her Cha-Cha last week, but parts of her AT seemed too combative for me. I don't think she can do slow, slinky, or smokey. I didn't believe there was any relationship between them, or any pretence of attraction. Some of her lunge moves and leaps seemed quite masculine, and she seemed to be intimidating Gorka rather than seducing him. I'd like to see more light and shade from her. Most of the time she scares the sxxt out of me.
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Post  Twirlie on Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:07 pm

Finally the right person went out this week. Bye Ruth. Who's next?
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Post  B4p on Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:17 pm

Twirlie wrote:Finally the right person went out this week. Bye Ruth. Who's next?
Susan for me
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Post  CaledonianCraig on Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:18 pm

Absolutely the right pair in the dance-off and the right result. I think An.ton knew the writing was on the wall and it has been coming for the last two or three weeks since Simon exited. Really sad An.ton won't be at Blackpool. I know many have little time for him but I love his humour and the way he turns criticism into a laugh. He has taken Ruth as far as he could considering her dance skills. As for Jonnie he is now hovering over that trap door very precariously. Unless he improves his posture and nails his dance next week he will be the hot favourite to exit.


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Post  jingle on Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:19 pm

Wow! Loved the show tonight. I thought the remembrance dance worked really well (wasn't expecting much from the treadmills, but they were very effective).  Mollie kept in - hurray!  Beautiful waltz by A.nton and Nadiya to Seal, plus the right person left. I laughed at them all piling on top of Ruth and A.nton at the end, especially Debbie trying to fling herself on top.  

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Post  TANGOLERO on Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:46 pm

Enjoyable show, everything tastefully done and I can understand Seal doing "Autumn Leaves" as very fitting ("Kissed by a Rose"will always be my favourite song of his). Ruth missed a great chance to get A nton to Blackpool (unless the judges had already decided, always possible). All she had to do was do a mistake free dance, because quite truthfully Jonni was awful. He almost shambled his way through it all ( nerves?) and his posture was more like the Hunchback of Notre Dame than a leaping Polovtsian  warrior. So sorry for An 'ton (he'll be in the show anyway) but in truth, Ruth had run her race and had to go. Credit to her for how well she's done, as have the rest, but the show from now on has no room for second best. Because of that I reckon Susan and Jonni will contest the last seats on the Blackpool Belle home trip but, along with those left will get their reward in dancing in the finest ballroom in the world. (Yes, I have Very Happy ) The rest is in the lap of Ken Railings, Barry Fife, Tina Sparkle and Miss Leach ....if you know what I mean..

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Post  Sid on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:18 pm

Not usually a fan of big showy celebrations when couples are voted through but Mollie and AJ could be as loud and euphoric as they liked!

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Post  Sid on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:36 pm

diamondsandpearls wrote:
And I don;t want her beinng bulied... GRRRRR Twisted Evil

I think we all feel quite protective if Mollie now. If she could just lift the level of her dancing I still reckon she could make the final because I think she's won over a fair few fans this weekend.
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Post  diamondsandpearls on Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:04 pm

So, a results shoe I watched all the way through... Now there's a first for this series.

Didn't much like the pro dance - I loved the concept, didn't like the execution, and the dresses were all wrong. But it wasn't awful, those two grumps aside.....

YASB's dress deserves a twitter account and a show all of it's own (and her pink charleston shoes also need a twitter account - divine!)

Mollie!!! For once my votes have been included and counted....

Which left us with a dance off between someone who expected to go and someone who wanted to go... The former was right....

But I agree with Tango that Ruth could have made it through as Jonnie's posture is a refelction of his true feelings. But I think Ruth was too deflated to pull out all the stops and so Jonnie got it - though I think it is only Oti who got the result she wanted.
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